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Hyde 📷 🖋 :debian: @hyde@lazybear.social
· 1w ago
@rl_dane@polymaths.social Another round of #vimovember ? https://codeberg.org/hyde/vimovember Or maybe we should rename it to #noVimber#vim #vi #terminals #foss@amin@polymaths.social @eclecticpassions@fosstodon.org @nantucketlit@mastodon.social @birming@social.lol

@rl_dane@polymaths.social Another round of #vimovember ? https://codeberg.org/hyde/vimovember Or maybe we should rename it to #noVimber #vim #vi #terminals #foss @amin@polymaths.social @eclecticpassions@fosstodon.org @nantucketlit@mastodon.social @birming@social.lol

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Stéphane Charette 🇨🇦 @charette@mstdn.ca
· 1mo ago
Speaking of vi (the text editor) if you asked me which keys are used to move up, down, left, right, I'd have no idea beyond "right hand, hjkl". But when my fingers are over the home keys and I'm moving around a file, I have no trouble doing it. Second nature after 30+ years of using vi. #vi
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Russ Sharek @RussSharek@mastodon.art
· 6mo ago
I don't know what you computer touching weirdos have done to my brain... I just finished writing 500 some-odd lines of (terrible) #Perl using nothing more than my brain, several websites filled with helpful examples, and a copy of #vi. I would feel empowered and wizardly if I wasn't too busy being baffled.
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JdeBP @JdeBP__dup_33984@mastodonapp.uk
· 8mo ago
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@ratsnakegames@mastodon.social No, it doesn't. As I said, I'm talking about the original Notepad. And that gained significantly simply by having a better keyboard than a Model F XT or AT and better graphics than CGA. It was basic things like SVGA graphics being able to display more characters on the screen with the same font sizes; dedicated editing keys; and Windows's ability to set a colour palette. Even just in its original form, it got more usable. Whereas there were no similar gains to be had by solely running Joy+Horton #vi on better hardware. So the Notepad experience got better as the years went by, whilst the Joy+Horton vi experience stayed the same. What began as a huge step up became less and less so. The Joy+Horton vi experience was not as good as running the clones in their 'vi' modes now might lead one to believe. To step up from Notepad, one really had to go with the vi clones. Or Qedit, T, T2, E, EPM, The Semware Editor, Brief, Boxer, and suchlike. @cstross@wandering.shop @davep@infosec.exchange
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JdeBP @JdeBP__dup_33984@mastodonapp.uk
· 8mo ago
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@kaveman@mastodon.bsd.cafe Yes. I was mentioning this to @cks@mastodon.social the other day. https://tty0.social/@JdeBP/116030855863806427 I think that it came out in the early 1990s. The copyright dates in the source uniformly say 1983, which would make OpenWatcom vi the earliest vi clone on record (pre-dating #STEVIE by 4 years). However, they say this uniformly, even for its OS/2 and Windows NT parts, which couldn't have existed in 1983. And 1983 pre-dates even Waterloo C. So I suspect some Sybase lawyer has lied in these copyright declarations. Watcom had a non-vi multi-window and menus TUI editor for DOS named wbed.exe at one point. #Watcom #OpenWatcom #vi #retrocomputing #ComputerHistory
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JdeBP @JdeBP__dup_33984@mastodonapp.uk
· 8mo ago
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@gumnos@mastodon.bsd.cafe I mentioned Guckes's list not having Heirloom vi in that other thread. I haven't thought about these in years, and they are an understandable additional blind spot in Guckes's list; but the MKS Toolkit had a vi, as did Interix. https://www.mkssoftware.com/docs/man1/vi.1.asp The :open test indicates that vi in the MKS Toolkit was actual Joy+Horton vi. #Interix (at least according to an old Scott Mueller book) had both vi and nvi, so I wouldn't be surprised if that turned out to have been Bostic #nvi by two names. As I recall, Central Point PC Tools, the Norton Utilities, and the Graham Utilities had text editors of varying degrees but did not have vi. @cks@mastodon.social#vi #ComputerHistory #retrocomputing
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ex, vi, view -- display-oriented interactive text editor

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JdeBP @JdeBP__dup_33984@mastodonapp.uk
· 8mo ago
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@cks@mastodon.social OpenWatcom vi is source available. https://mastodonapp.uk/@JdeBP/116052015020764901 Ritter's Heirloom #vi is in #FreeBSD ports today, coming from the same place that it has for a long time. https://freshports.org/editors/2bsd-vi/ It was dropped from #ArchLinux because it did not compile and hadn't changed in 20 years. Ironically, this is because the (GNU) C language had changed, and it has to nowadays be compiled forcing an older GNU C language version. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2285124#p2285124 Several people have independently discovered the Makefile patch that gets it to build on #Debian and the like. https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=629775 https://gist.github.com/cwfoo/01abac5c39f398b7e7b16a2b87aa518b #elvis, the precursor to #nvi, is packaged for both #NetBSD/#pkgsrc and #OpenBSD. https://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/current/pkgsrc/editors/elvis/index.html https://github.com/openbsd/ports/tree/master/editors/elvis #retrocomputing #ComputerHistory #Watcom #OpenWatcom
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On #Illumos, Jov vi is in /usr/src/cmd/vi: https://github.com/illumos/illumos-gate/tree/master/usr/src/cmd/vi On #OpenBSD, Bostic #nvi is in /usr/src/usr.bin/vi/vi; #NetBSD having it in /usr/src/external/bsd/nvi; and #FreeBSD in /usr/src/contrib/nvi: https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-src/tree/main/contrib/nvi FreeBSD has an nvi2 in ports: https://freshports.org/editors/nvi2/ OpenBSD has elvis in ports: https://github.com/openbsd/ports/blob/master/editors/elvis/pkg/DESCR Ritter's Heirloom vi is on SourceForge: https://ex-vi.sourceforge.net STEVIE was posted to comp.sources.unix in 1988: https://sources.vsta.org/comp.sources.unix/volume15/stevie/ Unfortunately, Sven Guckes's vi Clones WWW site was never completed with some of this, notably lacking Heirloom vi, for example. https://guckes.net/vi/clones.html But it does mention oft-overlooked commercial clones such as Watcom's vi, a from-scratch implementation started in 1983 that is also now source-available: https://github.com/open-watcom/owp4v1copy/tree/master/bld/vi #vi #retrocomputing #ComputerHistory #STEVIE #elvis #VIM #NeoVIM #Watcom #OpenWatcom
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freshports.org

FreshPorts -- editors/2bsd-vi: The original vi editor, updated to run on modern OSes

This is the original BSD ex/vi, updated to build and run on modern Unix systems. Compared to most of its many clones, the original vi is a rather small program (~120 KB code on i386) just with its extremely powerful editing interface, but lacking fancy features like multiple undo, multiple screens or syntax highlighting. In other words, it is a typical Unix program that does exactly what it should and nothing more. I intend to preserve this style in maintaining my port, except for changes to ach

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