Post by @zzt@mas.to · Elektrine

2026-10-29 18:10 UTC

here’s a bit of their stance on security by the way! > In the “bullshit and loser thinking” conversation, another employee pushed Yen for specifics on ensuring that AI-generated code was free of security issues. “AI won’t magically solve our problems, because security is low in our prioritization at present,” the engineer said. Yen didn’t respond directly, and went on to insult one of the other employees in front of the entire channel. The employee “is saying his usual bs of we can do it but we will be even slower than we are today and I’m saying only losers think like that,” Yen wrote, adding that workers should prompt “better.” > “People were surprised and somewhat cringed out, since the document clearly exaggerates what you can do with LLMs today and doesn't address any of the problems you get in return for giving up your code base to the AI Jesus (e.g. AI cannot really maintain a large code base over time).” Another called it “ethically bankrupt.”

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@zzt@mas.to 2026-10-29 18:13

hey @davidgerard@circumstances.run remember when we caught Proton committing their CLAUDE.md and claude skills to proton’s codebase, then they covered it up in real time with forcepushes but the files remained in a bunch of forks? then proton denied using claude so of course their fans believed them instead of the evidence of their eyes? well of course: > Initially, using AI was banned inside Proton, but the company has since approved AI for all sorts of use cases internally, including processing financial data, drafting customer-facing responses on Reddit and LinkedIn, and writing code […] Ninety percent of code at Proton in October was written by AI, the company’s CTO Bart Butler said in a meeting, according to audio 404 Media obtained. Much of that code is written with Anthropic’s Claude, multiple employees told 404 Media. And Yen tells employees in Slack chats to use Claude, too.

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@piffio@mastodon.social 2026-10-29 18:15

@zzt@mas.to I've been thinking about founding the "losers party" recently. What's happening with Proton is another nudge in the same direction. https://makemeacto.cc/be-a-loser/ Too bad as I was part of the original crowdfunding campaign that led to the launch of proton... but things have gone really south since then

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@bms@mastodon.bsd.cafe 2026-10-29 23:23

@zzt@mas.to Just parsing that last bit in the think-aloud protocol. So an employee, presumably a professional, cited, for the sake of professionalism, the limitations of a system or approach which he was then being accused of not using in a sufficiently professional way, regardless of whether the way in which said system or approach was constituted, had the side-effect of undermining everyone's professionalism. OK. I see the joined up thinking behind that. NOT! As I've said elsewhere: Who would have thought that proton decay could happen in 3 months, and not 2.4×10^34 years?

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@aspensmonster@tenforward.social 2026-10-30 04:07

@zzt@mas.to "security is low in our prioritization at present" is fucking wild to hear out of the mouth of a company whose product is all about security.

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