Post by @markwyner@mas.to

2026-10-29 18:02 UTC

RE: https://mas.to/@markwyner/116184563372403595 Imagine trusting your privacy with a company who favors speed over integrity. A @protonprivacy@mastodon.social employee cautioned against releasing new code that wasn’t properly tested. Andy Yen responded to all Proton employees: “That’s bullshit and loser thinking. Of course it’s possible to be fast and secure. Stop thinking always of how to be slower, and focus more on how to be faster. Only losers think like that. Stop lovingly handcrafting all our code and use AI more.” Some of us keep warning folks to avoid Proton. Unfortunately, others, like trusted source @privacyguides@mastodon.neat.computer, ignore the red flags and recommend it anyway. If you use Proton, you’re at risk. https://www.404media.co/manifestos-fear-and-loser-thinking-inside-protons-ai-reckoning #Proton #Privacy #InfoSec #AndyYen #AI

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@markwyner@mas.to 2026-10-30 06:57

The more I think about it, the more this makes me angry. I have had jobs with leadership who treat people like this. It damages your health (mental, physical, and emotional). And in a market like ours, I suspect there are a lot of people at Proton who have pits in their stomachs. They’re expressing their pain to their partners, or kids, or friends. Feeling trapped. This is what emotional abuse, toxic masculinity, and tech-bro capitalism look like. I’m tired of people thinking ethics and technology aren’t intersectional. They are. Fuck Andy Yen, and fuck @protonprivacy@mastodon.social. 🧵 2/2 #Proton #AndyYen #Tech #Privacy #InfoSec #AI

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@hyde@lazybear.social 2026-10-29 18:15

@markwyner@mas.to @privacyguides@mastodon.neat.computer Cc: @sebsauvage@framapiaf.org

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@wolf480pl@mstdn.io 2026-10-29 19:54

@markwyner@mas.to > "Of course it’s possible to be fast and secure" idk Proton should ask Boeing how well that went

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@Jaimieserotica@kinkycats.org 2026-10-30 07:34

@markwyner@mas.to @privacyguides@mastodon.neat.computer @protonprivacy@mastodon.social I second Tuta. I'm not a techie, but have been happily using their excellent service for a few years now. I'm on a paid plan but it's so cheap the cost is negligible for the peace of mind.

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@jonah@mastodon.neat.computer 2026-10-30 11:44

@markwyner@mas.to at this point we’d almost be better off just providing non-shit hosted services to people instead of recommending things at all 🙃

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@david@community.webuildnet.works 2026-10-30 16:56

@markwyner@mas.to @privacyguides@mastodon.neat.computer @protonprivacy@mastodon.social In general you want to be resilient by more successfully adapting to a repeating problem. 'My large commercial " #privacy " provider betrayed me/went under, where to next?' has been a repeating problem since the 90's. I say: work to build a community around yourself that is more capable of running things noncommercially for itself. It's worth the effort, long-term. 1/2 EDIT: a word

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@jonah@mastodon.neat.computer 2026-10-30 11:41

@dzwiedziu@mastodon.social FWIW self-hosted Stalwart will do encryption-at-rest, and if you also set up WKD then you will have the exact same security as Proton (to the point where Proton users emailing you will even automatically use your key, not that you should be relying on PGP emails for communication) I’m also not sure self-hosting makes sense, but worth pointing out to anyone looking at self-hosted options. @markwyner@mas.to @luckychronic@mastodon.social

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