@psychicparrot42 ... I am already over 1000 lines of CPP code to read a (*) controller input .. and there are still some parts of that code I haven't FULLY understood what they do/why they do that ( strange buffering mechanism of 'data packets' ) about menus/uis .. I am still working on the Nth iteration of my "UI manager" has many thousands of line of code/state machines and ATTEMPTS to be 'generic' .. UIs are a nightmare .. (*) actually > 1 the same time IIRC even Xbox code is "no kidding" ..