2022-12-15 00:09 UTC
Replies (18)
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@DrewKadel@social.coop 2022-12-15 17:16
@Julie@social.coop I tried a little bit to find out if our instance (social.coop) is complicit in some of the block/report stuff that contributes to inaccessibility for Black people, but, for instance, all the instances they have blocked give no description of why--so is it b/c White Supremacists or is it b/c they aren't restrictive enough on uncomfortable discussions of racism? This is a comfortable corner & I have no complaints, but sometimes discomfort is necessary.
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@sysop408@sfba.social 2022-12-15 17:25
@Julie@social.coop I think some of the "Make a #BlackMastodon" comments might be misunderstood. Mastodon likely won't get much traction until it's seen by the masses the way they see Twitter... as a casual hangout. I think it's going to be very hard to effect culture change in an established online society w/o actually creating a space for the underserved to thrive on their own first b/c trying to be welcoming won't get far. The neighbors need to want to move in on their own before "trying" is meaningful.
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@whetstone@romancelandia.club 2022-12-15 17:46
@Julie@social.coop “Make your own instance” is especially unhelpful to the targets of abuse because you’re just telling them to create a really attractive attack surface. Better to have a crap ton of instances with good policies and active moderation teams. “Make your own instance” is for people with money and access and time who want to make their own rules or nerd out about something specific, it’s a totally different problem.
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@Redflycatcher@kolektiva.social 2022-12-15 17:47
@Julie@social.coop what are some examples of Mastodon not being welcoming for black people ?
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@duffinvestor@goev.social 2022-12-15 17:47
@Julie@social.coop @ProjectFearlessness@mastodonapp.uk is that happening!!! Terrible if true.
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@ailurocrat@scicomm.xyz 2022-12-15 19:06
@Julie@social.coop Fedi should be as antiracist as possible and hostile to all forms of prejudice and bigotry. We should also be hostile to anyone that advocates bigoted ideas. Including capitalism, which is inherently racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, ableist, etc. and will destroy all humans and all other life on this planet if we can't stop it from dividing us.
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@johnhowesauthor@mastodonapp.uk 2022-12-15 19:11
@Julie@social.coop anyone saying that should be kicked out. I WANT more diversity here! The more diverse the better!
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@Woodchaz@social.vivaldi.net 2022-12-15 19:30
@Julie@social.coop I'm happy to see it as a hashtag. I want to know what people think who are different from me. Aren't people at least curious? Are egos that tender?
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@vorlon@mastodon.social 2022-12-15 20:11
@Julie@social.coop Black people are telling Black people what instances to use, based on having moderators who will actually support Black voices against bad faith accusations of violating instance rules. As a white man I wouldn't tell a Black person that they SHOULD use a different instance. But this stuff is clearly important in practice.
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@BertL@mastodon.social 2022-12-15 20:19
@Julie@social.coop I totally agree that we need to work harder to encourage black, Asian, First Nations, and other minority voices here. And LGBTQ, feminist, and differently abled groups as well. I always read and boost the comments from Black voices when I see them. And I follow them, although so far only one seems to be posting regularly, and he is a long-term Mastodon member and site manager.
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@gagadonlan@mastodonapp.uk 2022-12-15 21:24
@Julie@social.coop I've not been on Mastodon for long and therefore not noticed any racism. Call me naive, but I will be gutted if it raises it's ugly head.
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@sashafox@eightpoint.app 2022-12-16 00:13
@Julie@social.coop Yeah, I think it would be a lot more helpful if white people would make sure that their instances had Black moderators, instead of telling Black people to make their own instances. Like, if you want spaces to be welcoming to Black people, make sure that power is shared with Black people. If all the people running a space are white, you can't be surprised when you create a white space.
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@smollestbunny@kolektiva.social 2022-12-16 10:27
@Julie@social.coop the worst part of this is that a black instance and a disabled instance already exists because of this issue with people being unaccepting
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@emc2@indieweb.social 2022-12-16 17:51
@Julie@social.coop Is there any sort of triage list for this, or an effort to compile one? As in "these are the issues", and then we can break them out by what kinds of remediations are necessary?
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@Blanco@c.im 2022-12-17 00:28
@Julie@social.coop That is terrible. I have not seen that. Who is saying these things. Stop it.
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@Rubyslippahs@mstdn.social 2022-12-17 00:42
@Julie@social.coop facts
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@GordonFawks@rubber.social 2022-12-18 15:09
@Julie@social.coop Is this a thing that happens? Truth be told if someone is going to discriminate on this basis and is running yout instance you may wish to reconsider your membership in it because it sounds like that instance is run by fascists.
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@sibrosan@mastodon.social 2023-01-03 19:04
@Julie@social.coop I don't see in what respect Mastodon should be any different to people depending on skin colour.