@peter my first coding job, i was still at school back then, was to help a team of physicists in Spain fix up their PHP application that was doing… I don't really remember what any more, but the way it did those things was quite memorable: It was the most convoluted spaghetti code I've ever seen. legit never seen anything this bad ever, and i had to extend it, while ensuring it doesn't break I don't remember if i succeeded, only that it was scarring. i don't think anyone could have succeed… really not looking forward to this being the new normal