@luna@lunar.place mmmmm, ive tried pencil liner.... its not very sharp and still hard. I think ive tried dip eyeliner but the brush seems too soft and hard to control. I have a single pink eyeliner marker thing that I feel im the best with but even that im pretty bad. Guess its just practice. Oh and symmetry is another issue. Are there any tips or resources or is it just practice and failing a lot?