@darkuncle As for the original article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_spaceflight-related_accidents_and_incidents How many lives was beating the Russians to the moon worth? Don't get me wrong - I'm a huge supporter of space exploration. Thing is - as we push the envelope, people die, and I'm not a fan of forgetting or minimizing that. First we work on reliability - *then* you put people on the ships. We didn't have that luxury in the early days. We do now. You can be an optimist and still not get people killed. That's a realist. Cool yer jets.