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2026-11-08 18:51 UTC

Heard a thing where the UK is gonna start handing out fines for playing music on the train without headphones and like, There's always a contingent of people who'll say about anything, ah this is tyranny, this is a slippery slope or whatever, but who'll also agree that this thing is a pain in the arse and everybody wants it to stop and they don't have any better ideas on how to stop it and like, whatever, I was more agog at the AMOUNT of the fine and what it says about how nobody knows what's a reasonable amount of money anymore 'cause I heard at first that it was gonna be a fucking GRAND. And like... no working person is gonna enforce that. That's completely out the window. If I'm a train conductor and some lad's blasting music on his phone and I've got the option to make him pay a grand, I'm not gonna do it, because the point of a fine is to fuck your day up enough that you stop doing the thing, and a grand won't just fuck up your day, it can fuck up your whole life. Like fucking hell you might as well throw them in prison. Then I read that it was gonna be more like a hundred quid, the make-them-pay-a-grand idea was just some dipshit politician mouthing off, and I'm like... yeah that's still too much.

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  • @benjamineskola@hachyderm.io 2026-11-09 17:02

    @ifixcoinops@retro.social @afewbugs@social.coop Finland has a thing where fines are scaled to income. I think the basic unit of fine is something like half a day’s income, minus an allowance for cost of living. So in theory it means you can have fines that are suitably impactful if you’re on minimum wage without it being life-destroying; but it also scales up so that it’s still a meaningful amount for a CEO or whatever. (There are some news articles from a few years back about people getting six-figure speeding tickets.) (I can’t comment on how fairly it works out in practice, perhaps it sounds better than it actually is. Also no comment on whether fine is even the right approach for this situation. Does criminalising antisocial behaviour work?)

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