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@bill88t@c.im

2026-08-29 08:00 UTC

@unfa@mastodon.social I've had enough of hearing this. - ADB isn't going to be limited. They were vehemedly clear about it. Slapping Shizuku or any other LADB app just works, without interacting with the lockout. - The 24 hour lockout is a genuine security measure. If you think of what it'd take to stop a banana bread iq normie from installing malware, this is it. - Developer signatures have been the norm on every other platform since forever. Look it up. I'm saying it as someone with 2 MicroG phones, one pwned Mediatek phone, one stock locked phone, and experience in every other ecosystem, even including but not limited to Windows Phone. Yes, normies need to be protected. If somehow android were to present root tomorrow on every phone, the global ewaste metrics would noticably spike. Are developer signatures a good security measure? Is Google going to use it well? Kinda and no. Developer signatures on platforms like Windows do get exploited, even though they have a much stricter, tiered and annoying signature system. MicroSlop actually really tries to use it for good, but malware still slips though, and let's not talk about boomers running powershell stuff from the internet. They do introduce a way to attribute attacks to physical organizations, and offer some tracability across the web, but it doesn't do what I'd hoped it'd do. Google will hardly fare better than MicroSlop with this. But it's still better than being the wild west with just self-signed APKs. Despite it's mediocre effectiveness, is it a security improvement? Yes. Does it hurt your freedom? No, it does not. Installing apps from unknown sources isn't what your grandma should be doing. They shouldn't know it's a thing. Installing from unknown sources is, objectively, a power user action. If you're competent, you're already using ADB for everything, before the phone goes online for the first time even. Google isn't taking that away. "Aren't they going to limit ADB in the future?" Probably not ever. It's The Advanced Mode, for "expert" users. They were very explicit in their messaging that ADB is to not be touched, and is to remain the developer way of doing things. As to if they eventually touch Shizuku eventually, they probably will. LADB is a hack, yet a very nice one. They didn't take anything away. They just time-gapped it for noobs, for some modicum of security. In fact, the chinese already did this a bit. Xiaomi phones have a 10 to 30s lockout for every individual "risky" action, custom ADB options which lobotomise it severely, and require an account to disable. Those phones are 10x worse to do any of this stuff with, and show you ads every app install. Oh and they've been doing for over 10 years.

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  • ADB isn't going to be limited. They were vehemedly clear about it. Slapping Shizuku or any other LADB app just works, without interacting with the lockout. I didn't know that, that's a very important point. Source: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2026/03/google-details-new-24-hour-process-to-sideload-unverified-android-apps/ Re: "Installing from unknown sources is, objectively, a power user action." Not so fast... what #Google is doing effectively turns the Play Store into a monopoly; it really is important for normies to be able to install "alternate" app stores. Though the 24-hours thing seems like a neat idea, to be honest. CC: @unfa@mastodon.social #KeepAndroidOpen

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  • @unfa@mastodon.social 2026-08-31 23:47

    @bill88t@c.im I understand your point, yes I suppose this would overall be an improvement in the land of malware. I wonder how much of that malware sits in PlayStore or is distributed through ads shown in apps installed from PlayStore, or ads shown on YouTube etc... I think like me not getting malware on my phone is 95% thanks to me fighting to have it free of a(i)ds. I am sorry to be freeloading some online services which are paid for by advertisers. I guess I should pay for YouTube Premium...

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