@PurpCat@clubcyberia.co @phnt@fluffytail.org here I thought the meta was used thinkpads. However with the ram crisis even used thinkpads are dead due to all the ram salvaging at the time. The only ones for sale right now are the pre soldered ram abominations. The only way a framework makes sense economically is if you plan on buying new mainboards and swapping them out over time. Parts availability is also nice. I have an older dell xps where I was trying to buy a replacement keyboard deck as the original one suffers from rubber degradation and is horrifically sticky. Trying to buy a replacement is a massive pain in the ass could not find a good one and since the part isn't manufactured anymore they all have some form of degradation. I bought a framework 13 one and overall after having used it for a year I don't really have any real gripes with the hardware. In all seriousness I'd probably tell someone to buy a used thinkpad. Though if you're buying a thinkpad or a dell brand new they essentially cost the same as a framework.